do you believe a deal can and will be reached before this fiscal cliff? >> i do believe a deal can be reached, and the basisser that agreemenbase basis of that agreement has to be revenues and cuts. we've done a trillion dollars in cuts as part of the control act. the president has additional cuts. he's got more healthcare cuts than simpson-bowles proposed. he doesn't do it by transferring -- martha: that deal did not go through. do you expect the president will sit down with leadership this week to discuss this and take a leadership role in this fight? >> the president is taking a leadership role in this fight. i think people need to sit down as they have looked for ways to find progress. as you know the president already had the congressional leaders to the white house a little while back. people are pursuing different ideas right now to try to make -- to try and prevent us from going over the fiscal cliff, and the president has laid out a very clear map, road map for how we do that. martha: all right we walked right up to it in the grand bargain and th